tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post2850986483574926240..comments2023-08-04T12:00:47.012-07:00Comments on Does Air Exist?: What is Hell Like?Does Air Existhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11394981462884670461noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-66023456596633544512013-01-18T11:12:19.423-08:002013-01-18T11:12:19.423-08:00kind of weird if you ask me kind of weird if you ask me Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-46302521124129464952012-09-17T09:10:13.943-07:002012-09-17T09:10:13.943-07:00"Anonymity is good thing to have sometimes in..."Anonymity is good thing to have sometimes in this business."<br /><br />In which business? Christianity? Something else? Please explain; your comment doesn't make sense to me.<br /><br />"Anonymity is a good thing here because the FOC has a hit man that will find you and beat you up for posting bad things about them..."<br /><br />Crazy. Is this the business that the other Anonymous was referring to: saying bad things about the FOC?<br /><br />I have to admit, I don't know the first thing about the FOC. I arrived on this page because a friend of mine drew the picture of Hell and I wanted to see it. Then I started reading. Perhaps that was my first mistake. Regardless, I wish everyone who needs to remain anonymous due to being a former FOC member a healthy, anonymous, and hit-man-free life. Sounds like everyone should join something a little less risky, like the Sons of Anarchy.<br /><br />Regardless, pick up a copy of "Damned." It's a fun book.Dru Kepplenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-37756765975133506902012-09-15T20:50:19.467-07:002012-09-15T20:50:19.467-07:00Job was not "seemingly perfect", he was ...Job was not "seemingly perfect", he was perfect according to the scripture and there was no sin or spiritual weakness found in him by God. Those that rebuked him for his "hidden sins" were in fact rebuked by God for stating so. Job even praying for their well being after God's wrath toward them was made known. Still Job was contained in an imperfect fleshly body that would succumb to diseases and eventually die. It was in reference to this fact that he stated "For I know that my redeemer liveth...yet in my flesh I shall see God."<br /><br />Perfect or not we are all in a state of physical imperfection and need redemption. Another way to think of it is even if we had attained a full spiritual perfection, we would only be fulfilling our original obligation to God, he is still not obliged to grant us anything, except that we know by faith he has extended this grace to us.<br /><br />DarrenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-82844763294268310382012-09-15T20:18:26.579-07:002012-09-15T20:18:26.579-07:00Anon,
Thank you for explaining your understanding ...Anon,<br />Thank you for explaining your understanding of perfection. It is well taken and I can see how you have come to this understanding. If I may put forth another thought on the matter, there is much teaching in the New Testament about the process of sanctification. Sanctification (as I understand it) is a progressive work of God and man that makes Christians more and more like Christ and free from sin in our actual lives. It begins at conversion, continues throughout life and ends at death.<br />The problem we have is sin still remains in our hearts even after we become Christians.<br /><br /> Romans 6:12–13 <br />12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. <br /><br />Paul is saying the desire for believers to sin is still there. Now if you define sin as just an action then you could say it’s okay to think about sin, just don’t act upon those thoughts. But sin is more than just what you do. That’s why Jesus said to look upon a woman with lust is the same as adultery because the crime has been committed in your heart.<br /><br />1 John 1:8 <br />8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. <br /><br />Even the elderly apostle John understood that sin was a part of his life, and he argues against the idea of viewing yourself without sin.<br />I totally agree that Christians are never labeled as sinners in the bible; they are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood and God’s special people. But they are still being sanctified and will continue to struggle with sin in this lifetime.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />Garth Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-31009572808621086922012-09-15T20:10:29.068-07:002012-09-15T20:10:29.068-07:00As astute readers have noticed. The Apocalypse of ...As astute readers have noticed. The Apocalypse of Peter is not part of the KJV and is not part of the modern bible, nor is it accepted as scripture. It is at least though at minimim a historical work which shows how the earliest Christians viewed hell.<br /><br />DarrenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-43806797732807152902012-09-15T13:30:18.770-07:002012-09-15T13:30:18.770-07:00Beautifully said, I'd any thinks he's not ...Beautifully said, I'd any thinks he's not a sinner, that may be the biggest sin of all. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-24861237265537499282012-09-15T12:31:31.180-07:002012-09-15T12:31:31.180-07:00I think it's interesting what one of the Anony...I think it's interesting what one of the Anonymous writers said about not being a sinner, citing Job as perfect, which the OT also does in its text. However, I think that this was a reference to what was observable from the outside insofar as his actions and attitudes were seen by other, yet after his trial, he said, "For I know that my redeemer lives". <br /><br />Why would a person who never sins need a redeemer?<br /><br />The point of the whole story of Job was that even the seemingly perfect have their own shortcomings to resolve with God, but that if a person will persevere in their faith, they can and will be delivered.<br /><br />It's true that the NT tells us to "be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect", but I always took that as an indication that we should accept ourselves as God made us, and accept the work that Christ said that he would do in each of us until the day of Christ. <br /><br />If the FOC (or members of any other group, for that matter) do not sin, then why would they ever accept suffering and death as a means of entering heaven, even to the point of abstaining from medical intervention?<br /><br />To say that we have accepted Christ and therefore no longer sin is giving Christ credit for the power he possesses, but also it's putting confidence in the flesh, which is a BIG mistake. So long as we wear meat suits, we're going to sin, if only in our hearts and minds (anger, jealousy, vengeance, hatred, etc), until that day when we receive the perfect bodies that we've been promised. If we were without sin and error, we would not await Christ's return, we would not have issues with others but would live in complete peace with all mankind. I don't know about anyone else, but I sure can't see that anywhere in the world from where I'm sitting.<br /><br />I am a sinner, and Christ loves even me. That, to me, is the real miracle of all time. I'm not the worst of sinners...I'm not even the best. I'm just one in a hundred million gazillion blank-faced sinners, but he cared enough to single me out and save me. THAT's something worth sharing, in my book.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03596659859116139236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-70769228861655248112012-09-15T11:30:51.724-07:002012-09-15T11:30:51.724-07:00It won't be found in a "church" dire...It won't be found in a "church" directory. It's not a "church". Putting it in a church directory might cause a stranger to think that it's a church , a welcoming place that you can go to commune with other God loving Christians. This place is not one of those.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-54074619378071672732012-09-15T09:42:42.416-07:002012-09-15T09:42:42.416-07:00They would opt out of church directories because t...They would opt out of church directories because they do not permit newcomers to join. Due to that policy, they have lost their non-profit status. <br /><br />The Followers of Christ church is still operating next to the Fire Station on Molalla Ave in Oregon City (there is a storage place on one side of it and some small business - including, I think, Starbucks on the other).Suzanne Shumakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932536861099105795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-75989107614043621322012-09-15T01:50:50.157-07:002012-09-15T01:50:50.157-07:00Please be more specific as to what you mean by tho...Please be more specific as to what you mean by those 2 statements that you made about me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-10689193621156485862012-09-15T01:39:29.111-07:002012-09-15T01:39:29.111-07:00I agree that all man-kind was born into sin: becau...I agree that all man-kind was born into sin: because we have a part of a fallen angel in us bing born into this world (Satan)<br />I disagree that after we recive the holy ghost we continue to sin because the holy ghost cannot dwell in any unclean creature. Jesus died so we would be able to put away sin forever.<br />Heb10:26 "for if we sin wilfully after that we have recived the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin,<br />Heb10:27 "But a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."<br />Heb10:28 "He that dispised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses."<br />Heb10.28 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be worthy, who hath trodden under foot the son of god, and hath counted the blood of the coventant, wherewith he was sactified, an unholy thing, and have done despite unto the spirit of grace?<br />Any one who says you can keep sinning after you have been baptized, is wrong. And to be quite candid about it, their a pretty poor excuse for a Christian to say you can't be perfect, because men like Job were able to be perfect in a time when there was no hope, no law, and all they had was faith in god. <br />When men try to tell god that they couldn't serve him perfectly, i'm sure he'll say: you served Satan perfectly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-20729168424089832942012-09-15T00:44:24.463-07:002012-09-15T00:44:24.463-07:00You must not have a sense of humor. Or maybe you a...You must not have a sense of humor. Or maybe you are just a little slow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-83194954202054994912012-09-15T00:37:27.341-07:002012-09-15T00:37:27.341-07:00Suzanne... The church you used to go to was in Ore...Suzanne... The church you used to go to was in Oregan City, yet in all the past church directories, and the one that is of the hear and now; i can find no church in Oregan City. Can you plz elaborate as to why the church there never made the church directory?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-14368773209699573752012-09-15T00:30:22.360-07:002012-09-15T00:30:22.360-07:00Not all people that call them-selfs Christians are...Not all people that call them-selfs Christians are... Having a hit man that will come and beat you up is absolutly absurd (no relation to human life whatsoever)and is a indication that Satan has who ever does that: under contract... <br />I believe that what you are saying is true to a extent; but a little exaggerated. from my past experience: when things like that happened, it was usaley unilateral action taken by a few people, and not the entire group. However people that have the god syndrome (thinkin they are godly and are not) are some of the most nefarious people on earth; so you could be telling the truth...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-1949120407435635862012-09-14T18:12:41.403-07:002012-09-14T18:12:41.403-07:00I don't know how you can disagree but I would ...I don't know how you can disagree but I would like to hear your argument. Garth Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-22589423732218342512012-09-14T17:39:53.474-07:002012-09-14T17:39:53.474-07:00Anonymity is a good thing here because the FOC has...Anonymity is a good thing here because the FOC has a hit man that will find you and beat you up for posting bad things about them. In fact it has already happened more than once and, although no one has been killed, there have been some former members seriously injured. I could post a picture of myself with my broken nose, but then you would know who I am. Fortunately I am highly trained in martial arts and have only suffered a broken nose. So keep posting anonymously because you may be at risk if you post your name. In fact you may want to contact the US Marshall's office about the federal witness protection program if you plan to use your name. They have a almost perfect record of protecting people that come forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-54380770633417201682012-09-14T03:01:24.785-07:002012-09-14T03:01:24.785-07:00Anonymity is good thing to have sometimes in this ...Anonymity is good thing to have sometimes in this business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-76046650216636760112012-09-13T21:29:10.546-07:002012-09-13T21:29:10.546-07:00Everyone here should read "Damned" by Ch...Everyone here should read "Damned" by Chuck Palahniuk.<br /><br />And also, what's up with all of the "Anonymous" comments? Doesn't anyone have the guts to attach their name to their opinions?Dru Kepplenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-58380856033335109322012-09-13T18:27:26.707-07:002012-09-13T18:27:26.707-07:00Darren, you are from the Church of the Firstborn w...Darren, you are from the Church of the Firstborn which is a King James bible only church correct? I am a little surprised that you would post text from the Apocalypse of Peter without mentioning that it is not in the bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-5141834703705620572012-09-13T18:20:39.903-07:002012-09-13T18:20:39.903-07:00You believed that because that is what they teach,...You believed that because that is what they teach, or at least did teach when the elders were there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-28101627792667305832012-09-13T18:17:31.510-07:002012-09-13T18:17:31.510-07:00I do not believe my way is the only or any way. T...I do not believe my way is the only or any way. The bible says Jesus is the way. The FOC says their church is the way. Jesus said He is the vine. The FOC have said they are the vine. The FOC believe it is all about them. I believe it is all about Jesus.<br /><br />So I think it is a good thing that you are turned off from religion, but hope comes when people realize it is not about them, their rules, doctrines or their religion, but being a Christian is about knowing and worshiping Jesus.<br /><br />Jesus was also turned off religion of His day as you can see Him constantly rebuking the religious leaders of the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-80855700383830876672012-09-13T10:58:07.193-07:002012-09-13T10:58:07.193-07:00I STRONGLY DISAGREE!I STRONGLY DISAGREE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-15631495525479395812012-09-13T10:51:02.641-07:002012-09-13T10:51:02.641-07:00Do you agree that reality is the state of things a...Do you agree that reality is the state of things as they actually exist; not as people wish them to be? People once thought that the earth was flat but it didn't make it true. God is no different. He is what he is, and he is, unchangable by ones perception of him. There is: one god, one way, one existence, that is unchangable.<br />If you are implying that god made life to have mystery that many people are not solving correctly; or for that matter, not even coming close to solving correctly, you are correct (there are things we do not understand; they exist none the less) there is one true constant of existence: nothing unreal exist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-759971810715240252012-09-13T10:17:52.867-07:002012-09-13T10:17:52.867-07:00We're all sinners, that's why we all fall ...We're all sinners, that's why we all fall to the same errors. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03596659859116139236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-14809940536149676582012-09-12T17:36:57.298-07:002012-09-12T17:36:57.298-07:00A respectful conversation about opinion is what th...A respectful conversation about opinion is what the FOC is lacking. That's what your seeing, people throwing out their version of what they feel. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com