tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post6090923739404937688..comments2023-08-04T12:00:47.012-07:00Comments on Does Air Exist?: Inside Coffee CreekDoes Air Existhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11394981462884670461noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-64330919320708218102013-04-16T12:30:54.429-07:002013-04-16T12:30:54.429-07:00Shannon Hickman should be released from prison. I ...Shannon Hickman should be released from prison. I am a former Follower and she really did not have any choice/say in the matter regarding her son's death. What I remember of her is that she is a sweet, naive young woman that had no 'power' over the males' decisions regarding her son's death. Why aren't her attorneys appealing her sentence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-28171472533733148172012-04-01T09:44:00.055-07:002012-04-01T09:44:00.055-07:00I was interviewed to be on that jury...I was dismi...I was interviewed to be on that jury...I was dismissed, thank goodness. My impression, granted brief, was that their lawyers were inept. I couldn't believe their questions to me...it was so bad (not insulting..just persistent) that the judge finally had to intervene.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-77661865537061351372011-11-14T12:34:08.264-08:002011-11-14T12:34:08.264-08:00I agree with Kate Thorton Scrivener
I think Shanno...I agree with Kate Thorton Scrivener<br />I think Shannon should get a retrial. I do not think she should have been tried with her husband. I agreed with everything she said. So where are all the women's groups? Lets get Shannon out of prison.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-44503504225375975252011-11-11T11:42:59.617-08:002011-11-11T11:42:59.617-08:00Chris, what's that blog? Sounds interesting!Chris, what's that blog? Sounds interesting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-60479072049734418522011-11-09T20:36:09.114-08:002011-11-09T20:36:09.114-08:00I totally agree, she had no Control over the situa...I totally agree, she had no Control over the situation. The da stated that they never even tried to utilize the religious defense that was available to them. Does anyone know why? Are their lawyers that inept, or was that really an option for them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-52130352399662700292011-11-08T16:02:15.490-08:002011-11-08T16:02:15.490-08:00This is the text of a letter I sent to the Oregoni...This is the text of a letter I sent to the Oregonian:<br />I do not condone the beliefs of the Followers of Christ -- or the beliefs of most religious people, as a matter of fact -- but the plight of Shannon Hickman dwells on my mind. Is there no one to come forward and defend her? I think her attorney did not pursue her best interests, and that a mistrial should be declared in her case. She should never have been tried together with her husband, and she could be ably defended by thorough explication of the heavy-handed patriarchal beliefs which shaped her life. On the day her newborn baby died, she rested after giving birth. Is this a person who can rise up against her assembled family, strike out in an entirely new direction, and demand that -- against all of her previous mental indoctrination and steadfast belief -- a doctor be called to attend her ailing baby? Really? Just like that?<br /><br />Where are the women's groups? Where are the religious women of Portland? Will this woman actually serve 6 years in prison for not rousing herself in the aftermath of a home birth to defy the wishes of her husband, whom she believes to be her lord and master on earth as her religious savior reigns over them both from heaven? Does it take a heathen like me to point out the injustice of this sentence to the Pharisees and the Sadducees of Portland (and their wives and their daughters)? Whatever, "Christians" -- it wouldn't be the first time that all of you turned a blind eye as injustice was done, nor will it be the last.<br /><br />Kate Thornton ScrivenerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-32522492444745032402011-11-06T22:11:43.205-08:002011-11-06T22:11:43.205-08:00I followed a blog written by the mom of a Coffee C...I followed a blog written by the mom of a Coffee Creek inmate several years ago. It's a completely different world in there. Six years is going to be a long time, and my heart aches for her.<br /><br />I thought about this today. On the one hand she has an opportunity to discover something inside herself and maybe break from the church. On the other, she's likely signed power-of-attorney over to a member of the church and were she to break, she would lose her kids. What a tough decision. From what you've described of the FOC, however, she's likely to receive significant support throughout her time there. It *should* make things easier. But they certainly can't be there every hour of every day.<br /><br />The 30 days of doing nothing but sitting on her bunk, no visitors, no activities, will be trial by fire. I once spent four days in jail in Phoenix with no visitors. I can tell you, it's awful.<br /><br />Six years...man. I hope she's strong.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-64716743740930632532011-11-06T19:53:29.849-08:002011-11-06T19:53:29.849-08:00It is really sad that Shannon is going through thi...It is really sad that Shannon is going through this, and her children, and her dead baby, and their families. She never had a choice, nor did her children. In that cult it is all on the husband. He is the head of that house, just as Jesus is the head of the church. This whole thing is a result of a bad head, being directed by worse elders. Dale made the choice for everyone involved to suffer all of this. She truly is innocent, but if nothing else comes of this, I hope that young women see that it's no defense in court.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-72248186341369573462011-11-06T18:22:22.409-08:002011-11-06T18:22:22.409-08:00Sad, all around. I commend you for going there and...Sad, all around. I commend you for going there and doing the interview. I'm not going to judge this one. A jury has done it and God will do it in time. I haven't lived her life nor do I know what truly happened or what could have happened if the baby had been born in a hospital. Lots of non-secular women choose to have mid-wives deliver their children. The children survive. However, typically, these women have appropriate training. Anyway, I hope that justice, whatever that may be, is done. Shall we arrest the grandparents and the leaders of the church for brainwashing the baby's parents?<br />Anyway, I hope that justice, whatever that may be, is done. Beth Garland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-91964247664200970572011-11-06T13:39:32.715-08:002011-11-06T13:39:32.715-08:00The inmate I interviewed was not from the FOC chur...The inmate I interviewed was not from the FOC church. The inmates there HAVE been watching the news coverage of the trial and this woman did not think Shannon would get any sympathy from the women.Suzanne Shumakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932536861099105795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-92085854028892232592011-11-06T13:36:40.088-08:002011-11-06T13:36:40.088-08:00This was hard to read. I started crying almost as ...This was hard to read. I started crying almost as soon as I started reading this. I do not believe Shannon could have done anything different to save her baby. She gave birth and didn't even hold her baby until he died. This is wrong to have her in prison. I am disturbed by this story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-45513150417795046822011-11-06T13:03:18.305-08:002011-11-06T13:03:18.305-08:00Did the person you visit think twice on the FOC? O...Did the person you visit think twice on the FOC? Or do they usually come out just do continue with the same practices?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-20103221289932928222011-11-06T09:10:03.249-08:002011-11-06T09:10:03.249-08:00Its very sad however when you do something wrong y...Its very sad however when you do something wrong you must pay the price. I understand how Shannon and the others have no other way of thinking since they have been brainwashed for years and years. THey must own TV, read the newspapers to see that there are Laws, WE ALL HAVE TO FOLLOW LAWS. I have grown up in Oregon City, I know these people they are nice but the women have no rights in a way they are in jail already. In this day and time its sad that they have not stood up to their husbands and said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. What these two parents have done and what others have done is SICK SICK SICK. Maybe during the time they are in jail they might think back and see how their baby looked as he went from pink to gray to BLUE no air no choice NOTHING . At least they have a bed and food in jail that baby didn;t get that chance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-27131210601355695292011-11-06T07:18:23.658-08:002011-11-06T07:18:23.658-08:00So very sad, on so many levels.So very sad, on so many levels.Tanyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10986974524074206481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-36370798657038680072011-11-06T00:39:01.732-07:002011-11-06T00:39:01.732-07:00I'd be curious to know how the men typically t...I'd be curious to know how the men typically treat another man that is charged with causing the death of his child. I wouldn't however recommend you going to a CF for men to find out. :)Kelly Stone Gamblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05580080443113053144noreply@blogger.com