tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post7505948801055416766..comments2023-08-04T12:00:47.012-07:00Comments on Does Air Exist?: Maggie's BaptismDoes Air Existhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11394981462884670461noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-25641234363300684912012-09-03T05:43:37.854-07:002012-09-03T05:43:37.854-07:00I absolutely loved your story Maggie. Thank you.I absolutely loved your story Maggie. Thank you.Jonathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-77175621561878988322012-08-04T11:45:43.496-07:002012-08-04T11:45:43.496-07:00I don’t want to cheapen baptism either but if we p...I don’t want to cheapen baptism either but if we put it at such a high level (as a necessity for salvation) we cheapen grace. Grace is the undeserved free gift from God that saves by imputing the righteousness of Jesus into guilty sinners. This saving grace came at the highest price, the death of the Son of God. It was the most horrific crime ever committed in the history of man ̶ the murder of Jesus. The crucifixion of Jesus took place by God’s hand; it was His plan, predestined to proceed upon His own Son. This is what it cost for sinners to be reconciled to God. Jesus willfully giving himself to be mocked, beaten and die on a cross, purchased salvation for those who are His. Salvation by grace alone isn’t simple, easy or flowery. It came at great sacrifice. And if we could do anything to save ourselves, then why did Jesus have to die like that? Read the gospel accounts, see how all the disciples fled and were afraid, you and I would have done the same. But the captain of my salvation went steadfast toward the cross, He prevailed, He accomplished what I could not. He took all my sins with Him, my entire rap sheet was nailed to the cross. This is truly amazing grace. This is a radical kind of love that God the Son would die for an enemy, and that God the Father would decree it. Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him (Is 53:10).<br />I’m sure you already knew all of that but I needed to lay some ground work before I give my answer to your question. Look, salvation is all about Jesus and baptism is all about Jesus (His death, burial and resurrection). But if I were to add my baptism (or anything else I could do) to my salvation, I would be proclaiming another Jesus and another gospel. Jesus completely and effectively finished the work of salvation. Here is how the equation works, Jesus plus nothing equal salvation, Jesus plus baptism equals nothing. <br />It is on the basis of salvation being by grace through faith that I must answer your question ‘no’. The lazy, or uninformed person that does not get baptized, does not necessarily mean they lack real saving faith. Honestly, I believe we need to spend more time teaching about Jesus and what baptism means in relationship to Him, rather than questioning faith because of not being baptized. I know of four young people at my church who were recently re-baptized because they didn’t understand what they were doing the first time. All this to say… we have to stop looking at baptism as something I can check off my list, it’s much more meaningful than that.Garth Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-55039721132584168212012-08-02T11:58:52.202-07:002012-08-02T11:58:52.202-07:00Garth I love how you explain that and I agree. But...Garth I love how you explain that and I agree. But when that term is used it cheapens the word baptism to me. Maybe that is my hang up. But if I understand you. If a person gets baptized and does not know or understand the work that Jesus has done for all man kind that excepts him. Than he is simply getting wet. Would you not agree that if a person accepts Jesus as there Lord and Saviour and does not get or go through with a baptism than that persons belief or confession has also been in vain. Now I am not talking about the person who accepts the Lord and then on the way to be baptized gets in a car wreck and dies. We could go on and on with endless situations. That would be between that person who made the decision or confession and God. What I am talking about is the person who makes that confession or decision and does nothing about it. The person who sits on his hands year after year and says maybe some day I will take care of that. Would that be on the same lines? I guess the debate over works and faith that is in the new testament that James and Paul discuss. I believe would be on the same lines. Show me your faith by your works. It is by faith that you hear, believe, repent, & be baptized. They all work hand in hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-85788509866513057772012-08-02T05:29:13.836-07:002012-08-02T05:29:13.836-07:00:0.... NEWS !!!!! News lol not Jews ..... Sorry ev...:0.... NEWS !!!!! News lol not Jews ..... Sorry everyone .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-68908046375598652812012-08-02T00:04:23.204-07:002012-08-02T00:04:23.204-07:00You’re right. The phrase “outward sign of an inwar...You’re right. The phrase “outward sign of an inward change” is not in the bible. But the New Testament narratives show that baptism always followed upon saving faith. The point here is that a heart of faith will produce an obedient and fruitful life. It cannot work the other way around, baptism apart from faith would be an “outward sign of a dead heart”.<br />Try thinking of it this way, if an unbeliever were to be baptized, what would be the meaning and significance of their baptism? Would their baptism have centered on the life, death and resurrection? Would their baptism correspond with beginning a new life, having been set free and justified? You can only be justified by faith in Jesus, and it is that faith that produces joyful obedience, because of Jesus.<br />It may be helpful to ask the question ‘why’? With so many accounts of people in the bible and in the church today being completely transformed, living their lives with desire to glorify God and proclaim the good news about Jesus, not because they have to but because they want to… why? The answer to that question also answers why people are baptized. If you keep reading, praying and asking that question, I believe you will see the phrase not as an argument but as a resolution, based on biblical teaching.Garth Youngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-42963217160121586402012-08-01T19:38:26.105-07:002012-08-01T19:38:26.105-07:00Maggie what an amazing story !! Very proud of you ...Maggie what an amazing story !! Very proud of you and your family ! I also have gotten baptized being an ex foc member , and I had an amazing experience , a vision , a sound . It was so overwhelming it touched me in the best way . I cried threw the rest of the meeting ! I'm proud of what I've done . As far as the foc's not wanting to be a spectacle !!!! Too late !!!! There all over the Jews for jot following the laws of the land . When there is sickness or death they park all over the streets causing a huge spot light in them as to what is going on with so many 100's of cars everywhere ! When they could let family be there and stay home to remember them threw prayer ! They an serve their children better by following the laws and not being thrown in jail ! I could go on for hrs about this but what's the point ? Good job Maggie !! And be proud .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-87840198131130558542012-07-31T20:54:00.960-07:002012-07-31T20:54:00.960-07:00They baptized every Sunday in the foc. Wow, it tru...They baptized every Sunday in the foc. Wow, it truly don't matter what I THINK or you THINK all that should be strived to achieve is pleasing God. Not wanting to be a spectacle must have been lost in the past few years. That must have died off. Along with the baptizing, bible study's, lords supper, preaching, teaching, spreading the gospel to the ends of the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-48549856810776597042012-07-31T20:33:57.971-07:002012-07-31T20:33:57.971-07:00I have been told that baptism is an outward sign o...I have been told that baptism is an outward sign of an inward grace and that sounds nice and flowery. But I have yet to find that in the bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-34753420982728299802012-07-31T19:42:49.875-07:002012-07-31T19:42:49.875-07:00Every Sunday , in Oregon city? They didn't wan...Every Sunday , in Oregon city? They didn't want to be a spectacle, some wouldn't care, the FOC is private in nature. Do what you like, that was their reasoning, if that's ok with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-7053613814725468272012-07-31T17:53:02.224-07:002012-07-31T17:53:02.224-07:00Or a blessing 3000 at day of pentacost and the chu...Or a blessing 3000 at day of pentacost and the church was multiplied that was not a messAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-71501393763634990582012-07-31T16:45:06.154-07:002012-07-31T16:45:06.154-07:00The example in the Bible was a river. I think it&#...The example in the Bible was a river. I think it's best to follow the examples in the Bible if possible. It was stopped in the OCFOC when it got too big and became a logistical mess. 1000 people going down to the Clackamas river would be a pretty big deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-75038491947885927282012-07-31T15:51:57.192-07:002012-07-31T15:51:57.192-07:00not just a Catholic thing...many religions practic...not just a Catholic thing...many religions practice this and it is not just an infant thing.child of Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02702948990401990469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-71622219721127466522012-07-31T15:48:57.459-07:002012-07-31T15:48:57.459-07:00My understanding of baptism is that it is an outwa...My understanding of baptism is that it is an outward display of an inward belief/commitment that is not necessary for salvation or forgiveness. I think the sprinkling of infants is more a family agreeing to raise the child up in the faith.... it is a shame so many people think it is their place to judge.child of Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02702948990401990469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-74858515025911879642012-07-31T08:15:13.965-07:002012-07-31T08:15:13.965-07:00Maggie is the response no he did not. Would that b...Maggie is the response no he did not. Would that be a typical response from the followers in marcing ID. Or other follower groups that you have been to. Also is it true that the different follower groups do not except other follower baptisms. If so how does one choose which group to be apart of. Is it just a case of being born there and gramps told me the other factions are Incorrect. So not only the foc are the only people that have a chance at salvation but each individual group feels the same way. Please shed some light on this if possible. If that's the case than heaven will not be a kingdom but a small village.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-17247801664284295342012-07-30T22:22:59.510-07:002012-07-30T22:22:59.510-07:00"no he didn't" WOW!
It is better to..."no he didn't" WOW!<br /><br />It is better to remain silent and have everyone think you are an idiot than to speak and remove all doubt. <br /><br />Their are many followers of Christ that are well read and striving to follow in the footsteps of Christ. Then there are others who only know what their dad or grandfather told them Walter said. Their ignorance is truly shameful. I hold nothing against anyone who left seeking the truth. Hopefully many more eyes will be opened and the truth will be known.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-16210303031899637742012-07-30T21:36:24.441-07:002012-07-30T21:36:24.441-07:00This is typical of my family's response. My fa...This is typical of my family's response. My family told me not to contact them and that I walked a way from the only true church in Gods eyes. When I got baptized into Jesus. They were discussed in me. I am sorry Maggie that someone would post such a comment. That's too bad. I am glad that God will be the judge and it will be a true and righteous judgement. Thank God that you and your son have found the courage to follow Gods word rather than to be crippled in the fear of man and be under that bondage. That is so wonderful to see that your son had gotten into Jesus Christ. It is so nice to see that you have found the peace in Jesus that he promises. I hope that all that read can over come the fear that separates one from Christ. In the book of revelation it talks about casting the fearful of cowards being cast into lake of fire. How we all should rejoice in the action of your sons decision. How thankful I am that my hope or salvation rests squarely on Jesus not on man laws or fears but on Gods word an he can not lie. What a wonderful thing that God can not do.thank you for your post. Also God wants all men to come to the knowledge of the truth. So my prayer is that hearts are softened, eyes are opened and that those who have been crippled by the fear of man can over come that fear and into Jesus christAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-16124705851361645812012-07-30T21:06:44.465-07:002012-07-30T21:06:44.465-07:00"no he didn't"? You've just just..."no he didn't"? You've just justified everything bad that's ever been said about our church, If something bad was said about us, they were talking about bretheren like you. Thanks for nothing you jerk. Maggie I thought it was a nice story, I'm glad you've found a peaceful life, present company excluded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-91557130717328258282012-07-30T20:30:42.516-07:002012-07-30T20:30:42.516-07:00"no he didn't"
You bring shame and ..."no he didn't"<br /><br />You bring shame and reproach on all of us. Think before you post. Better yet try reading your bible instead of this stupid blog, that is were the answers are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-52035353683044766452012-07-30T20:22:43.398-07:002012-07-30T20:22:43.398-07:00Hopefully you are not a follower. That is the most...Hopefully you are not a follower. That is the most shameful comment on this blog, worse than anything suzanne or Maggie post. Judge not lest yea be judged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-68525990935073105362012-07-30T17:56:35.399-07:002012-07-30T17:56:35.399-07:00You couldn't leave her alone to be happy? Had ...You couldn't leave her alone to be happy? Had to cause more confusion huh Devil. Thanks for that!,,,,, monsters!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-13607179392011774902012-07-30T17:24:36.456-07:002012-07-30T17:24:36.456-07:00No he didn't? Wow, you must be a current FOC m...No he didn't? Wow, you must be a current FOC member. How do you know, are part of their family? Do you personally know the son? Have you been following and having personal experiences with the family? Didn't think so......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-71042835817910681902012-07-30T13:53:58.070-07:002012-07-30T13:53:58.070-07:00No he didn'tNo he didn'tAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-84336390607666279992012-07-29T21:07:48.582-07:002012-07-29T21:07:48.582-07:00Maggieshumaker.blogspot.com is where I have starte...Maggieshumaker.blogspot.com is where I have started blogging. I'm not regularly posting, but trying to recollect our families journey through our life.<br /><br />My son was baptized in our current church. It was a happy occasion, with clapping afterwards. I took several pictures. That was not common practice in Marsing. It is a somber occasion, very serious until you come out of the water.<br /><br />My son's baptism won't be accepted as a true baptism by Marsing members, as he will not be greeted by them. We did not do Lord's supper or foot washing after his baptism. He received the Holy Spirit when he accepted Jesus as his savior at age 10.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05038160148349481301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-55159671200064147162012-07-29T19:28:50.663-07:002012-07-29T19:28:50.663-07:00Maggie I hope you write more about your journey. Y...Maggie I hope you write more about your journey. You have a powerful story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433770610584182438.post-88905084005038122462012-07-29T19:26:24.459-07:002012-07-29T19:26:24.459-07:00i guess i thought all churches did the part of lay...i guess i thought all churches did the part of laying on hands and receiving the holy spirit. i haven't been to all churches. <br /><br />i have been to a foot-washing at a seventh day Adventist church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com