Wednesday, March 7, 2012

We Do Need a Preacher

Here is another letter from those sent out in 1998. The letter was unsigned, though the author claimed to be a 24-year-old man. I have chosen to use initials rather than names of the men who were mentioned in the letter, other than Walter White, Glenford Lee, and Tom Nichols. If you are, or were, part of the church the names will be fairly easy to figure out.



1998

I was born in 1974, five years after Walter White, the apostle, passed away. I never heard or was taught by my parents who he was or what baptism was for, and why only the old ones needed baptism, and not us children. Or from all the friends my dad and mom had. He was not talked about or what he stood for. Except by one man!

Finally I grew up and realized. Tom Nichols was a man who lived it and talked it for the last 30 years and everyone passed it off like it was nothing. I finally realized this when I read his letter. He never could have made up 36 pages of what Walter preached and stood for, what Tom Nichols wrote down.

I never heard or saw any man in this church question him on these things he told that had happened in this church. From 30 years ago up till now. I have realized that all of the ones who are baptized are self-righteous and self-centered and let me and all the ones who are not baptized be cheated out of a preacher, so we could be baptized and gain eternal life too.

Let me tell you this: I believe that my parents and their friends and all the ones who are baptized will have to pay a price for allowing this kind of doctrine to take over in the church. Before I told you I was born five years after Walter died. I am now 24 years old. Let me tell you all I was told of those five elders and their doctrine loud and strong by my parents and friends and all the ones who are baptized. But not what Walter believed and preached to all of them in this church.

Then in 1986, the last elder died, Glenford Lee. Believe you me, the still believe in his doctrine. Strong and he has been dead for 12 years. So for the last 24 years it has been the elders and now the elected and blessed five brethren. They were elected when I was only 12 years old. I grew up believing they were the elders or blessed by the last elder, Glenford Lee. Now at the last meeting of the men, I was told something different. After 12 years of believing that Glenford blessed and picked S.Z., R.R., and L.K. for the job. R.R., S.Z., and D.M. said that it was different.

It was said that D.M. picked one, S.B. picked one, Glenford Lee picked one. I believe that we all believed this and it was a lie because at first 12 years ago, we were told only Gelnford picked all three. What kind of religion is this lie?

All along while I was 12 years old up until I grew up and got married I, in my heart and mind, saw these five men take care of everything – set bones, anoint, lay hands, and go out to sick people’s houses all hours. Marry kids like me and others. What else would you old men and old women who are baptized want us unbaptized people to believe?

You did not tell us the truth all these past 30 years and up till now still lying to all of us. Now the last meeting of the men, July 1998. Now get this: some of us young men told Tom Nichols not to ask any questions. Because us young men were going to ask questions. We got scared and did not ask our question but believe you me, J.S. (an older baptized man) stood up and asked what about a preacher and talking of one. People whispered and talked and said out loud bold that J.S. what out of order and sit down.

B.C. said, “Sit down.” M.W., who is not baptized, said, “Sit down and shut up,” like an impudent ass. J.S. told M.W. to shut up which most of us young men were happy about.

To make a point on these five elected brethren, big exalted K.K. stood up and said, “Why don’t you teach and tell these young men who these men are? Where and what they do in the church. So the young men would be able to understand.” Remember, I grew up from 12 years old till now at 24 years old and I was utterly confused when K.K. got through with his speech.

Just like K.K.’s boys do everything daddy says and just like D.W. and his boys, they do everything daddy says. And just like K.K. in his speech would look at D.W. and made sure that what he was saying was okay by D.W.

Why couldn’t they get up and teach and talk to us young men how to seek God and get a preacher instead of how to believe and understand these five elected men? I believe the old men and the old women in this church think God won’t do anything to their 24 year old and down to 1-year-old grandchildren because I hear out of their mouths, Grandpa and Grandma won’t let God or anyone like Tom Nichols wrote about hurt or harm any of you.

So old men and old women sit in church and sing 10 songs, 50 songs a month and say how good we are. I did hear Tom Nichols say after D.W. said wait on God and continue in sin so grace may abound. To what J.S. said, we do need a preacher.

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13 comments:

  1. Everything I remember it was always about needing a preacher and arguments about preachers, elders and who is right and who is wrong. Too bad it was never about needing Christ. The Gospel was never talked about.

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    1. Very true. But consider, if we had a preacher, the gospel would presumably become the focus of sermons. A group of starving sheep may look for a shepherd to feed them if they don't know how to find food for themselves.

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    2. Suzi,sheep might ,but goats will eat anything

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    3. SUZI,But goats will eat anything for unto us was the gosple preached as well as unto them:but the word preached, did not profit them,not being mixed with FAITH in them that heard it.

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  2. Current members don't seem to be as good at lying as the elders were, maybe thats not a bad sign. If questioned, do they make up new doctrines, or do they continue to attempt to cover for the elders shortcomings? At what point would they finally admit that the whole thing was based on incorrect dreams, and lies? If everyone knew that Nichols was telling the truth, why wouldn't anyone stand behind him? Sorry to ask so many questions, but this seems to get worse the deeper it goes. The biggest question is how could parents allow their children to go through life like this? I talk to current members about this, but they aren't very forthcoming about some topics.

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    1. People couldn't stand behind Tommy because, after Walter died, the elders counted Tommy as an enemy and (according to some accounts) Walter's son sided with the elders, so publicly siding with Tommy would've been social suicide. Your social life is crucial in a closed group. If you become a pariah, your kids and grandkids suffer the consequences - many parents won't allow their kids to befriend yours, or date/marry yours.

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    2. Legion, you are correct in your observances. I never experienced people making up new doctrines, but I've been free from there almost 14 yrs, Praise the Lord! There may be new ones as of 2012. My parents always taught that I'd go to Hell if I were to ever leave there. When i was 18 yrs old, I point blank asked my dad, "you really believe if I don't go to that building, I'll go to hell?" and he replied yes. but he never had anything to say about God's word to me growing up. I believe my parents told me what they'd been told. NOT what they knew from the bible. They taught by the example they grew up with, not scripture. Both of their parents gave up their children to "the world" as they gave up their siblings as well. "we don't believe that way, That's not how we were raised." was my teaching. I never got a clear answer from my parents on why, or what we believed. The doctrines I can point out from my upbringing was 1. Don't go to Doctors 2. We're God's chosen, the only right church 3. If you leave here, you'll go to Hell. (& several others I won't
      get into) Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I said before, it's been 14 yrs. God had mercy on me and answered my prayers in giving me a man to love, and to teach me in God's ways, and for that, I praise Him every day!

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  3. Tommy was unlikable, it didn't matter if he was right no one would side with him. He was loud angry and disrespectful. He had no friends because he wanted it that way. Tommy had some good points but he never could act civil. He had a reputation as a railer and a liar. If anyone other than him would have wrote those letters they might have been taken more serious,right message wrong messenger. I think he probably was truthful in his letters but its hard to trust liar.

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    1. To Anonymous at 1:43 am...What did Tommy lie about? I'm unaware. When someone calls someone else a liar, they must've heard the person lie, or been able to prove what they've said as a lie. Do you know of his lies? I'm not trying to defend him, as i grew up scared of him as well, and later in life, came to know more about him, but as I teach my children, never call someone a liar, as we don't always know the story behind their words. Can you reference a lie Tommy told? Thank your for the clarification.

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    2. This letter is how I grew up in this church also. I belive it is an accurate account.
      Judges 17:6 deals with ISREAL history which I think may apply here. "in those days there was no king in isreal, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes"
      There has been no minestry there for some time now. So people have went on dreams, fealings, and just trying to fit in. We have done what seemed right i think Instead of going back to the bible for your standard of which we measure truth. I belive that is what happened in this time of judges and also the time we are living in now. As this letter has indacated. Proverbs 14:6 deals with this situation "there is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death". I also was not alive when Walter or Earnest taught there. But if there are some that claim he or they were men of GOD than they taught out of the bible. Not parts of or some of but all of the bible. So if you say there were men of GOD I have no reason to distrust you. But they are dead and gone. So what do we do now. Put down the bible do not reed, do not study, go off dreams and fealings. As proverbs says it leads to death. So each of us has a decision to make weather to use the bible as the benchmark of truth or not and go with a form of Godlyness as II Timothy deals with. And that way also leads to death. So this letter is as true today as the day it was written. Also maggie my teaching from my parents was the same as you have mentioned. I can not or will not speak for all that grew up in this time frame and are here. But it is time to pull our heads out of the sand and start reading and applying the whole bible to our life. Joshua 24:15 states "and if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom he will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that we're on the other Side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. So each of us have a choice to make.

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  4. This religion started with the Bible as its foundation. If its right, you should be able to set aside all of your preconceptions, and start looking at it from purely based on the blueprint that you started with to see if your off track. If you can do that, then you are doing great. If on the other hand, if the doctrine your living doesn't resemble the blueprint, maybe you do have to make a hard decision.

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    1. Legion, I believe you're right. I knew someone (outside of FOC) that researched the origin and found evidence of teaching faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. This was back in the early 1900's. I'm not sure where it took it's turn, but like you suggest, using the Bible as a blueprint, and if the doctrine you follow isn't true to the Bible, then ask yourself why, or how you believe what you're doing is right. My husband and I never had anyone open the scriptures and show us what we were choosing was wrong. We were told to not be forsaking the assembling of ourselves together...Hebrews 10:25 several times. But WHO were we assembling ourselves with? There's a question NO one wants to answer! There was no one that could find "do not go and sit on wood benches and sing 10 songs and die on your couch for God" so...we didn't. I am honestly not putting people down for not being able to prove us wrong. I'm glad we had scripture to back our beliefs. Mark 16:15-17 "he who believes and is baptized will be saved..." Acts 2:37-39 "repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit" when we couldn't do what the Bible was telling us to do, we asked, sought, knocked....and the door was open to us (and our children!) can I get a second Amen?

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  5. Amen sister,

    Whatever truthes were there at one time, have evaporated, by all accounts. The only solace you have is in your true faith in God. It's sad to hear of families being broken up due to loss of social standing, in stead of belief In God.

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